---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ashok T. Jaisinghani <ashokjai@sancharnet.in>
Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: Blame Game
they just want to believe in aliens and forget their parents....
In fact, it is a great insult to pigs to compare them with Varnashrama Nazis.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Sankara Narayanan <psn.1946@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Chanchal Malviya <chanchalmalviya@gmail.com> wrote:
Veda says, every born person is Shudra and every person must strive to become a Brahmin.. everyone by nature is Tamasika and everyone must strive to become Sattvika which helps them to get rid of pains and pleasures of life... It helps them to become divine... Swami Vivekananda said, 'Everyone human is potentially divine'.. and to realize this potentiality Vedic concept exists... Swami Vivekananda himself is a Vedantic literate... its a pity that people are ready to follow him but they hate Vedanata... in a way they abuse Swami Vivekananda... They praise him only because he brought some pride for our nation...
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Sankara Narayanan <psn.1946@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Chanchal Malviya <chanchalmalviya@gmail.com> wrote:
who will convince the sons of British who are well made to destroy their own forefather's identity, their nation, their motherland, their mothertongue.. no use...
The answer that this person has given is exactly what was told by Romilla Thapper to me when I asked her the same in Pune University... and I know only this kind of answer is expected that the question is useless.. actually these people don't have answer nor will they accept that they have answer.. they just want to believe in aliens and forget their parents.... all the best..
Mr Shankar narayan or Mr. Singhani, please do not abuse people who are working for the betterment of this country... if you are a misfit to the culture of this country, you are independent to follow British culture where difference between sister and wife is unknown... either do not disturb or be prepared to unlearn the false information...
Thanks,
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Sankara Narayanan <psn.1946@gmail.com> wrote:
SN
From: Ashok T. Jaisinghani <ashokjai@sancharnet.in>
Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: Blame Game
Your Lies & Insulting Remarks
In your correspondence, you have made the following statements, which are misleading or are based on lies:
Veda says, every born person is Shudra ...
And we have recorded history of over 4.5 million years...
India has not exported a single disease to the world till today and the reason is its Vedic guideliness to life styles... even Gandhiji excepted that wherever there was cow he was sure no epidemic will spread...
who will convince the sons of British who are well made to destroy their own forefather's identity, their nation, their motherland, their mothertongue.. no use...
Shudra is a pure term and a highly respectable term. Without going through our scriptures, people have started believing that Shudra is a lower state and hated.
Brahmin is not a caste.
Hindus (sanskrit) do not have a single word that is abusive in nature...
It is well understood that Brahmins never ruled this country. Nor did Brahmins project themselves as GOD to be worshiped.
Even Manu Smriti mentions that Shudras are 'Atithi devo bhava' when they come to Brahmins house.
You have also made the following insulting remarks for which you deserve to be strongly condemned:
People like you will remain in the business of hatred and fighting...
If this man has courage, let him prove that he is not a Asur...
We are teaching our children how Brahmins and Shudras can live together as per our own Dharma as dictated in our scriptures...
who will convince the sons of British who are well made to destroy their own forefather's identity, their nation, their motherland, their mothertongue.. no use...
they just want to believe in aliens and forget their parents....
Mr Shankar narayan or Mr. Singhani, please do not abuse people who are working for the betterment of this country... if you are a misfit to the culture of this country, you are independent to follow British culture where difference between sister and wife is unknown... either do not disturb or be prepared to unlearn the false information...
Your lies about Manu Smriti can be exposed by the article "Excerpts from Ancient Brahmin Literature," which is shown below.
Ashok T. Jaisinghani.
Excerpts from Ancient Brahmin Literature
As printed on Page Nos. 34 to 39 of
THE BAHUJAN GUIDE
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Excerpts from Ancient Brahmin Literature
The Rig Veda (said to be the most sacred):
1. Those who hate Brahmans will be the worst sinners and will face the worst of deaths. (10-36-9) (Mandal-10 Sukta-36 Rik-9).
2. O' Aswini gods! please kill our enemies and fetch us their grain, cows and women. (01-30-17).
3. Those who make Brahmans happy with liberal donations of all kinds will get high positions in heaven. (10-107-2).
4. O' Soma Ras (soma ras was the country liquor of those days) please kill our rich enemies and fetch us their wealth, cows and women. (9-1-3).
5. O' Indra, (Indra is said to be ruler of heaven). Please rob all those who do not donate to us and give that wealth to us. (8-70-7).
6. O' Indra, we have prepared the soma ras you like most, please come, drink and give us wealth. (8-71-2).
7. O' Indra, myself and other Rithviks (Rithvik means priest) are cooking beef. Please come and have the best soma ras and beef and give us boons. (10-27-2).
8. O' Indra, a husband satisfies his wife's sexual desires. Just the way, you satisfy our desire for wealth. (10-29-5).
9. O' God Agni (Agni means fire), please burn alive our enemies. (1-12-5).
10. O' Indra, please recognize who are Aryans and who are Dasyus and make them our slaves and help us as we are performing yagna for you. (1-51-8).
11. O' Agni, make us strong so that we can kill our enemies and their children and with the looted wealth, permit us and our children to live happily for hundreds of years. ( 1-73-9).
12. O' Agni, please drive away the Dasyus and non-Aryans from this area. We are praying you day and night. (1-78-4) ( Dasyus / enemies / non-Aryans = Natives).
13. O' God Varuna (O' God of Rain), please liberate me from all debts, including my forefathers' debts and make arrangements so that I don't have to live on somebody's earnings. (2-28-9).
14. O' Cows, make us strong and handsome. Your meat in the yagnas is highly delicious. Keep our houses sacred. (6-28-6).
15. O' Bow, take us forward always. Make our bodies as strong as rocks. Let soma ras talk on our behalf and let nature take care of us. (6-75-12).
16. O' Whip, encourage our horses in wars. (6-75-13).
17. O' Soma Ras, we are drinking plenty of you daily. That is the only job we have. Our greatest hope is yourself and none else. (9-1-5).
18. Those who donate soma ras to us will live forever. (10-107-2).
19. Let the goat-riding, daily traveling Sun God serve us and give us beautiful women. (9-67-10).
20. O' Soma Ras, you are giving happiness, pleasure, grain, cows and horses. Give us intellect also. (9-9-9).
Dharma Suthras (Codes)
1. Brahma gave birth to the Brahmans from his mouth, the Kshatriyas from his shoulders, the Vysyas from his thighs and Sudras from his feet. (Manu's Code 1-31).
2. A hundred-year-old Kshatriya must treat a ten-year old Brahman boy as his father. (Manu 11-135).
3. A Sudra is a slave and nothing but slave. (Aithareya Brahmana VII-29-4)
4. No Sudra should have property of his own. He should have nothing of his own. The existence of a wealthy Sudra is bad for the Brahmans. (Manu VII-417 & X-129).
5. God said - the duty of a Sudra is to serve the upper varnas faithfully with devotion and without grumbling. (Manu 1-27 & 91).
6. If a Sudra touches an upper varna woman with sexual intentions he should be beheaded. (Gouthami XII-2).
7. A Brahman male can have any woman in the universe. (Manu XXVII-6 & 9).
8. Those who educate Sudras and women will go to hell. (Manu III-156).
9. If a Sudra injures an upper varna person, the part of his body with which he causes the injury should be cut off. If he sits near an upper varna person in a place as high as the latter sits, his buttocks should be burnt with a red hot metal rod and he banished from the country. If he spits near an upper varna person, his lips should be cut off. If he discharges bad gas near an upper varna person, his entire back should be torn off with a sharp knife. If he tries to teach his masters (the upper varnas), pour boiling oil in his mouth. If he scolds an upper varna person, push in a ten-inch long red-hot metal rod into his mouth. (Vishnu Code V-19 to 25).
10. If a Brahman dies with food in his stomach given by a Sudra, the Brahman will take rebirth as a pig in his next birth. (Vasista Code VII-27).
11. If a Brahman performs yagna with financial help of a Sudra, he will take rebirth as donkey. (Garuda Purana).
12. Food touched by a Sudra is unfit for consumption by the upper varnas. (Vasista XIV-1)
13. If a Brahman abuses a Sudra, it is not an offence. (Brihaspathi Code XX-7 & 11).
14. Sudras and women are unfit for education. It is not necessary that they should know the laws and codes, and hence need not be taught. Violaters will go to ASAMVRITA HELL. (Manu IV-78 to 81).
15. Brahmans and those who live at the feet of Brahmans need not pay taxes. (Apasthamba 1-7).
16. A Sudra serving a Brahman is greater than a Sudra serving a Kshatriya, and who in turn is greater than a Sudra serving a Vysya. (Apasthamba 1-8).
17. Slavery / serving is prohibited for a Brahman. (Manu VIII-50).
18. Even if someone frees a Sudra from slavery, he continues to be slave as he is created for slavery. Nobody has the right to free him. (Manu VIII-56 & 59).
19. Brahmans are to receive 16 types of donations (shodasa mahadanas) (Gruhya Sutra):
Virgins,Gold,Silver,Maid servants,Carts,Horses,Ploughs,Sudras,Clocks,Goats,Milch cows,Milch buffaloes,Cots and beds,Lands,Clothes,Stones, ghee, grain, vegetables, umbrellas, sewing threads, staves, incense sticks, fans, images or idols of Siva.
20. The Brahmans are to give 16 types of services in return (Gruhya Sutra):
Donating pregnancy for the virgins donated above,Blessing newborn,Conducting ceremony for pregnant women,Writing horoscopes,Conducting naming ceremony,Donating pregnancy to childless women,Donating pregnancy to widows,Literacy ceremony,Cross-thread ceremony,Deciding auspicious days,Conducting yagnas,Coronation ceremony of kings,Conducting marriages,Accepting cows from the family of the deceased,Conducting death ceremony,Conducting death anniversary every year.
EXTRA DOSE ON FEMALES
1. Every woman must be loyal, faithful, obedient, humble to her husband even if he is blind, deaf, dumb, old, physically handicapped, debauchelor, gambler, neglects his wife and lives with his concubine(s). If the husband is unhappy, it is the fault of his wife. If he cries, she should cry. If he laughs, she should laugh. She should eat only after her husband eats. If he beats her, she should not react, but fall on his feet and beg for pardon, kiss his hands and pacify him. If he dies, she should fall on his funeral pyre and die and go with him to the 'other-world' and serve him there in this manner. (Padma Purana).
2. Women are fickle-minded. Never believe them. Friendship with a woman is just like friendship with a wolf. (Rig Veda 8-33-7).
3. All women are born of sinful wombs. (Bhagavad-Gita IX-32).
4. Women are the most faithless. (Manu XVII-12).
5. Woman is the gate-way to hell. (Adi Sankara).
6. If a woman had ten non-Brahman husbands, and then if a Brahman touches her, the Brahman becomes her real husband. (Sruti).
7. Karaneshu Daasi, Sayaneshu Rambha - it means, in work she should excel all servants, and she should excel Rambha in bed.
8. A virtuous woman is one who dies on the funeral pyre of her dead husband and avail the privilege of serving her husband in the 'other world'. (Atharvana Veda 18-3-1).
9. Woman is source of sorrow. At birth she makes her mother weep. At puberty she makes her parents weep, at the time of marriage she makes all her family members and relatives weep. In youth she commits blunders and brings bad name to the family, relatives and varna. She tortures the hearts of her parents, husband and family members. She is called 'DARIKA' because she is source of sorrow to all. (Aithreya Brahmana).
10. Killing a woman, a Sudra or an atheist is not sinful. Woman is an embodiment of the worst desires, hatred, deceit, jealousy and bad character. Woman should never be given freedom. (Manu IX-14, 17 and V-14, 47).
11. A girl must be under the care of her father, in youth under the care of her husband, and in old age under the care of her sons. She should never be free and independent. (Manu V-148).
12. A Brahman male by virtue of his birth becomes the first husband of all women in the 'universe'. (Manu III-14).
13. None of the acts of a woman can be taken as good and reasonable. (Manu X-4).
14. Five husbands to a Hindu woman (Atri Smriti-190):
i. Soma (Moon)ii. Gandharvaiii. Agniiv. Brahmanv. Husband.
A bride's first night is with Brahman as the first three are notional.
15. If a woman does not satisfy the sexual desires of her husband, she should be severely beaten. (Brihadaranyakopanishad 6-4-7).
With all the repressive laws and codes, they brain-washed and controlled the women-folk economically, socially and culturally, and turned them into mentally-willing slaves. After that these slave-women brain-washed their children from childhood and handed them over to the Brahminised system to serve mechanically, and it is going on even now.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chanchal Malviya
Sent: 18 Jul 2012 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Blame Game
Manu Smriti: 3.109: A Brahmin should never ask anyone about their Gotra or Kul, when he is being given to eat or prasad or sacrifice, or else Pandits should not consider them as Brahmin but a human driven by lust.
Manu Smriti: 3.111: If a Shudra comes to a Brahmin's house, he should be treated as Dev and he should sit with kindreds of Brahmin to take food.
Manu Smriti: 3.25-40: If a Shudra girl marries a Brahmin, she should tie her cloth to the boys cloth during marriage.
There are many controversial part of Manu Smriti too, but that is controversy only when taken out of context. If few Shloka above and below are connected to the controversial Shloka, meaning changes. But people will not like to do that. They want to make sure that if a Brahmin has not allowed a Shudra to enter into a temple at some place and at some time, it is a all time history for all the Brahmins.
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Some people do not want to see the other side of the coin. They want to see the errors and crimes done by few and relate it to the mass. It is in their intention. So, let them do that. All the best.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sankara Narayanan
To: Chanchal Malviya
Sent: 18 Jul 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Blame Game
In fact, it is a great insult to pigs to compare them with Varnashrama Nazis.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Sankara Narayanan <psn.1946@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not a Brahmin.
That automatically proves I am a human being.
Asur etc are the creation of the pot bellied cheats to loot the majority.
Shame on you casteist pigs.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Chanchal Malviya <chanchalmalviya@gmail.com> wrote:
No soap is required to wash anything... Truth will find its mean in its own way... Thanks to Modern Science which is following our Hindu Darshan inch by inch... Whether it is Atoms or Nuclear concept, whether it is medicinal science or Civil engineering, whether it is metallurgy or any other stream of science, everything seems to be following Vedas...
People like you will remain in the business of hatred and fighting... People like us will move ahead to reunite people and help them establish their specific skills to perfection (one of the goals of Varnas)... Thanks to NASA who is demanding people skilled in Sanskrit to develop next generation super computers... Thanks to USA which has already established a Vedic University... Thanks to Universities in USA which has included Bhagwad Geeta as one of the studies into management science... Thanks to Einstein who said, 'whenever science will make a major jump, it will find an Indian saint already standing there'...
Dharma in Hinduism is not Religion... It is simple derivation of Natural laws beyond which no one exists... But only they can understand it, who will go deep into it with Shraddha... People like Zakir Naik cannot understand it as they want to cut paste some words out of it which may look bad taken out of context...
I personally do not hate Muslims or Christians... I just go against their concept of Religion and that too because they are not ready to listen anything beyond their own limited perceptions...
Veda says, every born person is Shudra and every person must strive to become a Brahmin.. everyone by nature is Tamasika and everyone must strive to become Sattvika which helps them to get rid of pains and pleasures of life... It helps them to become divine... Swami Vivekananda said, 'Everyone human is potentially divine'.. and to realize this potentiality Vedic concept exists... Swami Vivekananda himself is a Vedantic literate... its a pity that people are ready to follow him but they hate Vedanata... in a way they abuse Swami Vivekananda... They praise him only because he brought some pride for our nation...
They who hate, they who live in avarice, they who do not have benevolence in them, cannot be considered as humans...
If this man has courage, let him prove that he is not a Asur... And to know what is a Asur, you can read the chapter 16 of Bhagwad Geeta... This man, who is reply so harshly and with so much hatred for our own mother and father, whose identity is all Bhartiya and Vedic... Corrections can be made only on ground of patience, peace and love... If this is not the way, lets not discuss...
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Sankara Narayanan <psn.1946@gmail.com> wrote:
You are our real tormentors. I just don't care about what all that Bible & Koran say. That is yr fundamentalist habit to follow some nonsensical regimentation. I am not bound by such restrictions. If it is good, I accept that. If it is bullshit, I omit them. I condemn them.
You can wake up a person if he is really asleep. But not one who pretends.
If some Tom Dick & Harry says, Ram will kill a guy. Can you get away with such a murder? What type of ignorent Lord is he? I pity you and yr petty Ram.
What a shameful defence of the atrociously racist argument of Arjun!!!
Have some guts to call a spade a spade. No bullshits.
Have some guts to call a spade a spade. No bullshits.
I challenge you to disprove the authenticity of Swamy Vivekananda's quote.
Are you the authority on Vivekananda? Vivekananda used much harsher words about caste system & untouchability in very many contexts. Swamy once said, ''when the world is moving ahead, you are clinging to your only sloga Don't Touch Me''.
Are you the authority on Vivekananda? Vivekananda used much harsher words about caste system & untouchability in very many contexts. Swamy once said, ''when the world is moving ahead, you are clinging to your only sloga Don't Touch Me''.
Don't you accept yr filthy ancestors coined the word Mlechcha?
And those rascals also called vernaculars as Mlechcha bashas.
Still you are allowed to exist in this land defending such filthy rascals and Fascist views.
And those rascals also called vernaculars as Mlechcha bashas.
Still you are allowed to exist in this land defending such filthy rascals and Fascist views.
Tamil Poet Mahakavi Subramania Bharati (a real Aiyer and not a dirty Aiyer like Dr Subramanian Swamy) says:
1. Gone are those days when we called Brahmins (Parpan) as Aiyers and British as Lords.
2. If the sastras prescribe one set of rules for the toiling sudras and another set for the pot bellied Brahmins who eat without toil, those are not sastras but treachery.
Yr Adi Sankara himself was paid back when he asked a sudra to get away from his way. That Mlechcha asked Sankara whether he meant the body or the soul within it. Promptly yr guys eliminated Sankara realsing the danger.
Any amount of soap can't wash the Varna rogues.
SN
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Chanchal Malviya <chanchalmalviya@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems you do not have any book which you are quoting.. and you have a Biblic or a Koranic author who is saying this in some book and you are following it... This world has existed since billions of years... And we have recorded history of over 4.5 million years... Teach these things to your child and help him to hate and live in hatred alone... We are set to teach our children unity.. We are teaching our children how Brahmins and Shudras can live together as per our own Dharma as dictated in our scriptures...
You are forgetting that Lord Rama obeys Rishi Valmiki who is a Dalit.. Lord Rama eats from the hands of Shabri who is a Shudra... I don't find where the hatred exists... Lord Rama didn't kill Shambuk because he was a Shudra but because his intention to attain cellestial power was Asuri in nature.. And Asurs are those humans who are Tamasika by nature, who exist on meat, whose life style doesn't have any healthy disciplines, whose philosophy is driven by negative attitude like hatred, anger, envy, ego and arrogance, who do not care to harm the nature for his own personal existence... If you don't read Ramayan, stop projecting things from your Islamic or Biblic gurus...
Read Gita again.. Arjuna says a situation of Varna Shankara will arise if mass killing will take place... which clearly means marriage must be arranged and not driven by lust which is today... this is exactly what Arjuna meant... but who will teach you.. you are driven by those values where women and men need freedom for sex and not for family and social responsibilities...
I am surprised to hear a new quote from Swami Vivekananda as dicated by you... I have read his complete works and have not found anything of such sort... If Swamiji have reincarnated to tell you again this thing, I am succumbed...
Thanks,
----- Original Message -----
From: Sankara Narayanan
To: Chanchal Malviya
Sent: 16 Jul 2012 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Blame Game
Don't beat around the bush?
Varna means colour. Purest form of racism.
Why did Lord Ram killed Shambuk?
Why did Arjuna told Lord Krishna this in Mahabharat?
''In war many sudra youth will die. After war, their young widows will cohabitate with twice-born males.
This will spoil the social harmony. So we should not go for war''.
If Sudras are not inferior, why do Manu and Chankya rascals assign them the duty of serving twice-borns?
Pl show me a single hamlet in India where a fifth varna's dead body can be taken to the caste Hindu's masani.
Swamy Vivekananda: India is doomed the day the word Mlechcha was invented.
SN
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Chanchal Malviya <chanchalmalviya@gmail.com> wrote:
I know it is not good to quarell with ignorants and arrogants... yet I am trying to reply...
You should know -
1. India has not exported a single disease to the world till today and the reason is its Vedic guideliness to life styles... even Gandhiji excepted that wherever there was cow he was sure no epidemic will spread...
2. India never invaded any country for money and loot. It only spread peace and Lord Buddha is output of same Vedic knowledge.
3. There is a big difference between Varna and Caste. Caste is a British term, while Vedic Varna is a pure term of Guna and Karma (not birth - please verify from our literature). Brahmins are in state of Gyan Yoga and Shudras are in state of Karma Yoga and Bhagwad Geeta emphasizes on Karma Yoga and not Gyan Yoga. Shudra is a pure term and a highly respectable term. Without going through our scriptures, people have started believing that Shudra is a lower state and hated.
You must know, a Brahmin when he dies believes that he will not be released from bondage of life untill he finds Shudra and Chandal participating in his cremation. Who builds the temple? Who builds the houses of brahmin? Who stiches the clothes of Brahmin? Who supplies food to Brahmin? They all are Shudra. How can they be lower? Veda never says that nor do Brahmins say. But people like you have forced this into society and education and made everyone including Brahmins believe that Shudra are hated people. Unfortunate.
4. Hear to the preaches of Saints who are vedic literates. Do they ever say that Bhagwad is not to be listened by Shudras. Do they ever say that Geeta is not to be read by Shudras. Didn't Bhagwan Rama eat the Jutha Ber from Shudra Shabri. Didn't Lord Krishna clean the dishes of others. Brahmins worship them and they both are not Brahmins.
Brahmin is not a caste. It is a state of Knowledge, which in modern times are called Scientist or PHD Doctorate or Professor, etc. Brahmin is not a birth but a state of knowledge which explores the depth of life sciences and makes people meet God with ease. If that is not acceptable to you - please stop talking further and live in ignorance. I am sure, science too is meaningless for you because Science is prooving the concepts of Hindus inch by inch. And science is the best friend of Hindus and Hinduism. Because Supreme Court also told in 1995 - Hinduism is not a Religion, but a way of life. World respected Vivekananda not because of Caste system of your ideology, but bevause of his Vedantic Knowledge.
Please get that knowledge before you live in disdain. Your hatred proves where are you. Hindus do not exist in hatred. Hinduism exists on respect. Respect towards knowledge. Respect towards nature. Respect towards existence. But who will teach you.
Bye...
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Sankara Narayanan <psn.1946@gmail.com> wrote:
British culture may not know the difference between wife and sister.
But Hindu Brahminical culture does not know the difference between a Mlechcha and an animal.
In fact except pigs, there are no untouchable animals for these rogues. Even if you touch a pig, you are not asked to take a holy dip to wash off the dirt.
Otherwise, they would not have told: If a sudra listens veda by mistake, his ears are to be filled up with molten metal. If he has the audacity to learn veda, his body must be split. Lord Rama, under infinite mercy, only killed Shambuk. Thanks for not spliting Shambuk's body.
At the same time, loftiest humbugs like Vasudeivakutumbakkam and Aham Brahmasmi are doing rounds successfully for thousands of yrs.
The rogues who created the caste-based reservation since vedic & puranic ages are opposing the same becoz it started shaking their hegemony slightly.
If you compare our classes with pigs, it is a great insult to pigs.
SN
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Chanchal Malviya <chanchalmalviya@gmail.com> wrote:
we are reduced to current size India from Akhanda Bharat which was from Afghanistan (today) to Myammar - no conflicts - just Hindus some 1000 years ago. Millions were massacred. concept of Harem came into being and thousands of Hindu girls and women were kept their nude for Muslim's enjoyment... that is how the word 'haremjaada' have come into being...
Hindus (sanskrit) do not have a single word that is abusive in nature... all dirty words are gift of Islam and Christianity to us which merged with our language with time... Babur takes pride in baburnama that he massacred thousands of Kafirs, created a tower of their skulls and danced around it whole night, there were not sufficient step to walk properly in the cities as it was full of corpses... Koran instructs the same in Surah 9 and at various other places...
Our country had great respect for women and we have worshiped women.. greatest wealth for women used to be their respect.. they used to burn themselves in 100s when they got widow rather than go in hands of Muslims (and British taught us Brahmins used to burn women or widows)... As instructed by the religious books of invading religions they have right to hold as many virgins as they wish... and hence to save our girls we started child marriage... anyway...
who will convince the sons of British who are well made to destroy their own forefather's identity, their nation, their motherland, their mothertongue.. no use...
The answer that this person has given is exactly what was told by Romilla Thapper to me when I asked her the same in Pune University... and I know only this kind of answer is expected that the question is useless.. actually these people don't have answer nor will they accept that they have answer.. they just want to believe in aliens and forget their parents.... all the best..
Mr Shankar narayan or Mr. Singhani, please do not abuse people who are working for the betterment of this country... if you are a misfit to the culture of this country, you are independent to follow British culture where difference between sister and wife is unknown... either do not disturb or be prepared to unlearn the false information...
Thanks,
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Sankara Narayanan <psn.1946@gmail.com> wrote:
Brahmins never ruled this country = Sonia Gadhi never ruled this country.
I don't know much about the 4th point.
But what you said under 1 to 3 are atrocious lies.
Indian classes will never change themselves.
SN
Dear Mr. Jaisinghani,
It is well understood that Brahmins never ruled this country. Nor did Brahmins project themselves as GOD to be worshiped. We worship Lord Rama and Lord Krishna and both are non-brahmins. Here are few facts to be considered by you, specifically:
1. There is a system now to divide the population into castes - we know it in the name of SC, ST, OBC, etc and govt. issues certificate to ensure this castes is identified by birth. There were large number of temples in our country and millions used to visit them earlier too. Tell me, if you or your knowledge givers have discovered one single system in any temple which could identify that the visitor is of which caste and then allow them to enter the temple.
2. Before British, Muslims have ruled and spoiled this country. They have always into hatred business by law of koran and they have taken pride in mentioning that they massacred millions of Kafirs in their own chronicles like Baburnama, Akburnama, Badshahnama, etc. Yet, they have no where mentioned that Brahmins hated Shudras and all that we know today from great education curriculum.
3. Even Manu Smriti mentions that Shudras are 'Atithi devo bhava' when they come to Brahmins house. And till Arthashastra of Chanakya, it says that Arya means the four Varna together which cannot be abused in any terms. And all our known books have shown path how cross varna marriages can take place.
4. Whether it was Shivaji Maharaj or Guru Ramdas, it hardly matters who followed whom - what matters is both of them worked to save this nation from the hands of Barbarians - the Mughals or Muslim invaders. While Shivaji won back nearly the whole territory from the hands of Muslims, Ramdas established hundreds of Hanuman mandir and Akhadas where training of young Hindus went on.
I would have accepted your hatred, if Ramdas would have wanted the throne of Shivaji, but it was not so - they both were on their jobs. But I know, had Ramdas demanded it from Shivaji, like Raja Harishchandra Shivaji would have given him - because Shivaji knew that Ramdas was like Guru Vishwamitra demanding Ram and Laxman from Dashrath and not like Ravana demanding food from Maa Sita.
History that you have read is not read by Brahmins, but by British who were Christians at first place, looters at second place. And its good to see that people like you love to be in their bondage. You do not have time and courage to read our own literature and you depend on others writings to believe who we are. It is like not believing on our parents for identity, but believing on our neighbors and others to let us know who we are. Great philosophy, keep it up.
It seems you do not want to take lessons from great founders of this world. You want to hate our nation for being the founder of Science and Spirituality. Please update yourself.
Thanks,
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